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	<title>Comments on: Pheonix canariensis (Canary Island Date Palm)</title>
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		<title>By: David Balsamo</title>
		<link>http://treelogic.com.au/facts/2007/06/pheonix-canariensis-canary-island-date-palm/comment-page-1/#comment-3341</link>
		<dc:creator>David Balsamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 00:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Peter for your comment. 

Damage to this area for the palm can have dire consequences for long term health and stability. 

Trimming the lower trunk to provide clearance will damage the epidermis (outer sheath) and the peripheral ring of lignified fibres that lay below which in turn may compromise the structural stability of the plant and could result in pathogens such as Thielaviopsis, Ganoderma and Fusarium getting a foot hold in the plant as palms do not create secondary growth and cannot repair injuries to their stem.

Furthermore, damage to this area of the trunk which is part of the root initiation zone could also affect future root initiation limiting available water and nutrient required to sustain plant health and to maintain the plant in an upright position.

Hope this helps

regards

David Balsamo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter for your comment. </p>
<p>Damage to this area for the palm can have dire consequences for long term health and stability. </p>
<p>Trimming the lower trunk to provide clearance will damage the epidermis (outer sheath) and the peripheral ring of lignified fibres that lay below which in turn may compromise the structural stability of the plant and could result in pathogens such as Thielaviopsis, Ganoderma and Fusarium getting a foot hold in the plant as palms do not create secondary growth and cannot repair injuries to their stem.</p>
<p>Furthermore, damage to this area of the trunk which is part of the root initiation zone could also affect future root initiation limiting available water and nutrient required to sustain plant health and to maintain the plant in an upright position.</p>
<p>Hope this helps</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>David Balsamo</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://treelogic.com.au/facts/2007/06/pheonix-canariensis-canary-island-date-palm/comment-page-1/#comment-3332</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My neighbour has a CIDP growing about 1 metre from my garage wall.  Its a lovely palm, about 8 metre tall trunk, but it has a root ball extending out from the trunk above ground that is pushing the brickwork inwards to the point where the wall is now totally cracked and in danger of breaking down.  Are we able to trim off the above ground fibrous root matter so that it is clear of the brick wall? And will this pose any danger to the palm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My neighbour has a CIDP growing about 1 metre from my garage wall.  Its a lovely palm, about 8 metre tall trunk, but it has a root ball extending out from the trunk above ground that is pushing the brickwork inwards to the point where the wall is now totally cracked and in danger of breaking down.  Are we able to trim off the above ground fibrous root matter so that it is clear of the brick wall? And will this pose any danger to the palm.</p>
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		<title>By: David Balsamo</title>
		<link>http://treelogic.com.au/facts/2007/06/pheonix-canariensis-canary-island-date-palm/comment-page-1/#comment-3298</link>
		<dc:creator>David Balsamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alison for your comment. The Australian Standard AS4970-2009 says no less than 1 metre outside the crown projection. Having said that, CIDP roots are adventitious and arise continuously from the root initiation zone.  Palms do not develop secondary woody roots and most roots live for approximately 1 - 3 years and are then replaced. This is the major factor in the high success rate of palm transplants. Without seeing your palm, I would suggest that no less than 1 metre from the base of the trunk would be appropriate however you should seek the advice of a local competent arborist on what maintenance may be required and bear in mind the comments made by James in the blog above dated 10/11/2009.

regards

David Balsamo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alison for your comment. The Australian Standard AS4970-2009 says no less than 1 metre outside the crown projection. Having said that, CIDP roots are adventitious and arise continuously from the root initiation zone.  Palms do not develop secondary woody roots and most roots live for approximately 1 &#8211; 3 years and are then replaced. This is the major factor in the high success rate of palm transplants. Without seeing your palm, I would suggest that no less than 1 metre from the base of the trunk would be appropriate however you should seek the advice of a local competent arborist on what maintenance may be required and bear in mind the comments made by James in the blog above dated 10/11/2009.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>David Balsamo</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, we are about to install a pool near to two canary palms of which the trucks are about 2 metres tall.  Can anyone advise how far away is the smallest distance we need to be away from the trunks of the palms.  The pool is a fibreglass pool, we only have a small yard so want to maximise space etc, but definately dont want to do any damage to these beautiful trees.  Situated in SA if that makes any distance.

Any advice would be welcomed.

Thanks
Alison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, we are about to install a pool near to two canary palms of which the trucks are about 2 metres tall.  Can anyone advise how far away is the smallest distance we need to be away from the trunks of the palms.  The pool is a fibreglass pool, we only have a small yard so want to maximise space etc, but definately dont want to do any damage to these beautiful trees.  Situated in SA if that makes any distance.</p>
<p>Any advice would be welcomed.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Alison</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://treelogic.com.au/facts/2007/06/pheonix-canariensis-canary-island-date-palm/comment-page-1/#comment-3173</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David and James thanks very much for your responses to my query back in November.

The heaving around the trunk is no more than two feet so taking this into account
it seems like permeable paving no closer than three feet to the trunk will be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David and James thanks very much for your responses to my query back in November.</p>
<p>The heaving around the trunk is no more than two feet so taking this into account<br />
it seems like permeable paving no closer than three feet to the trunk will be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weed Potential. Someone asked whether the Canary Island Date Palm has weed potential. The answer is yes. While it isn&#039;t listed as a weed under legislation, it is commonly seen &#039;volunteering&#039; around Melbourne. It is also listed as an environmental weed in several Australian references. Having said that, it can be relatively easily managed by removal of occasional seedlings every few years. Don&#039;t leave it any longer or they will be quite difficult to tackle. The seed appears to be bird dispersed and most seedlings appear within a short distance of the parent (up to 100 m). In my experience they are most commonly seen germinating in mulched areas. Seedlings normally require physical removal or increasing applications of herbicide with size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weed Potential. Someone asked whether the Canary Island Date Palm has weed potential. The answer is yes. While it isn&#8217;t listed as a weed under legislation, it is commonly seen &#8216;volunteering&#8217; around Melbourne. It is also listed as an environmental weed in several Australian references. Having said that, it can be relatively easily managed by removal of occasional seedlings every few years. Don&#8217;t leave it any longer or they will be quite difficult to tackle. The seed appears to be bird dispersed and most seedlings appear within a short distance of the parent (up to 100 m). In my experience they are most commonly seen germinating in mulched areas. Seedlings normally require physical removal or increasing applications of herbicide with size.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://treelogic.com.au/facts/2007/06/pheonix-canariensis-canary-island-date-palm/comment-page-1/#comment-3086</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am wanting to be rid of my canary palm need to find a new owner anyone interested</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am wanting to be rid of my canary palm need to find a new owner anyone interested</p>
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		<title>By: James Martens-Mullaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Martens-Mullaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your query Sarah.

I am unclear as to the detail of the proposed landscape design around your palm as you mention paving and a retaining wall. 

Several considerations you need to be aware of when installing paving around you palm. 
 
Excavation associated with the installation of light infrastructure such as pedestrian paving, if kept to a depth of say no greater than 150mm below existing grade will generally not affect the health of the palm despite the loss of some root mass (Do compensate with additional irrigation during the first spring, summer autumn period post construction).  

However, installing an impervious pavement over the root zone can reduce soil moisture levels, which in turn can have a negative effect on palm health if the soil beneath dries out.  Water pervious paving would be preferable. 

Furthermore, the provision of a 3 ft / 1m clearance around the trunk may lead to future lifting of the pavement by the force of root growth beneath. I imagine the palm, if it is 150 years old and if no previous level changes have occurred around the base will exhibit an area of heaved soil surrounding the base of the palm, the result of root massing in this area.  Such heave usually dissipates within a couple of meters from the trunk.  This area of heave provides a useful guide for paving clearances around palms to minimize paving distress. 

With regard to raising soil levels, roots are sensitive to changes in their growing environment and raising soil levels around  your palm can have a deleterious impact on the health of your palm.  Minor level change may be tolerated; the fundamental consideration is to maintain soil properties conducive to healthy root growth (adequate water infiltration and gaseous exchange between the soil and the atmosphere).  I recommend site and design specific advice be sought from a suitably qualified arborist if you are considering raising soil levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your query Sarah.</p>
<p>I am unclear as to the detail of the proposed landscape design around your palm as you mention paving and a retaining wall. </p>
<p>Several considerations you need to be aware of when installing paving around you palm. </p>
<p>Excavation associated with the installation of light infrastructure such as pedestrian paving, if kept to a depth of say no greater than 150mm below existing grade will generally not affect the health of the palm despite the loss of some root mass (Do compensate with additional irrigation during the first spring, summer autumn period post construction).  </p>
<p>However, installing an impervious pavement over the root zone can reduce soil moisture levels, which in turn can have a negative effect on palm health if the soil beneath dries out.  Water pervious paving would be preferable. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the provision of a 3 ft / 1m clearance around the trunk may lead to future lifting of the pavement by the force of root growth beneath. I imagine the palm, if it is 150 years old and if no previous level changes have occurred around the base will exhibit an area of heaved soil surrounding the base of the palm, the result of root massing in this area.  Such heave usually dissipates within a couple of meters from the trunk.  This area of heave provides a useful guide for paving clearances around palms to minimize paving distress. </p>
<p>With regard to raising soil levels, roots are sensitive to changes in their growing environment and raising soil levels around  your palm can have a deleterious impact on the health of your palm.  Minor level change may be tolerated; the fundamental consideration is to maintain soil properties conducive to healthy root growth (adequate water infiltration and gaseous exchange between the soil and the atmosphere).  I recommend site and design specific advice be sought from a suitably qualified arborist if you are considering raising soil levels.</p>
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		<title>By: David Balsamo</title>
		<link>http://treelogic.com.au/facts/2007/06/pheonix-canariensis-canary-island-date-palm/comment-page-1/#comment-3023</link>
		<dc:creator>David Balsamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sarah for your post.

Capping or increasing soil profiles over the root zone of your palm could have a detrimental effect on plant health by limiting the exchange of gas from the soil and the percolation of water. You may want to consider installing a permeable pavement at existing site grade to limit impact.

Palm root morphology is different to that of broad leaf trees. New roots are produced every 12 to 24 months from the root initiation zone located at the base of the palm and that is why palms will transplant with relatively small root balls. Roots can be severed close to the base of the palm with minimal impact on plant health although supplemental irrigation will be required.

I hope this advice has been helpful

regards

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sarah for your post.</p>
<p>Capping or increasing soil profiles over the root zone of your palm could have a detrimental effect on plant health by limiting the exchange of gas from the soil and the percolation of water. You may want to consider installing a permeable pavement at existing site grade to limit impact.</p>
<p>Palm root morphology is different to that of broad leaf trees. New roots are produced every 12 to 24 months from the root initiation zone located at the base of the palm and that is why palms will transplant with relatively small root balls. Roots can be severed close to the base of the palm with minimal impact on plant health although supplemental irrigation will be required.</p>
<p>I hope this advice has been helpful</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great site!
We have a 150 year old date palm on the Bellarine Peninsula. Wanting to landscape around we started investigating  the soil and found some longer roots away from the root ball so stopped digging. We are trying to determine whether it will be detrimental to the palm if these are dug up and covered with paving, leaving about 2-3 feet of soil around the palm.
Also from what I gather above building soil up and adding a retaining wall could be damaging by altering the soil composotion. Is that right?
Some clarification and advice would be most welcome...we do not want to the wrong thing for this wonderful palm.
thanks very much
Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great site!<br />
We have a 150 year old date palm on the Bellarine Peninsula. Wanting to landscape around we started investigating  the soil and found some longer roots away from the root ball so stopped digging. We are trying to determine whether it will be detrimental to the palm if these are dug up and covered with paving, leaving about 2-3 feet of soil around the palm.<br />
Also from what I gather above building soil up and adding a retaining wall could be damaging by altering the soil composotion. Is that right?<br />
Some clarification and advice would be most welcome&#8230;we do not want to the wrong thing for this wonderful palm.<br />
thanks very much<br />
Sarah</p>
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